**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 1 00:00:22 2022 Oct 01 00:00:22 [Aye] Oct 01 00:02:18 *Adalbrecht looks a little bored, just holding the wool as Verity knits* Oct 01 00:03:18 * Morgan takes pity on him, asking if he can speak to him Oct 01 00:04:33 * Molly is now known as Adalbrecht Oct 01 00:06:03 * Morgan has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) Oct 01 00:08:47 * Adalbrecht has quit (Read error: EOF from client) Oct 01 18:27:46 * Morgan (~mads@iMac-2.lan) has joined Oct 01 19:35:54 * MollyK (~igloo@CrystabllesiPad.lan) has joined Oct 01 19:36:50 * MollyK is now known as Adalbrecht Oct 01 19:39:51 * Adalbrecht takes a seat Oct 01 19:40:00 What can I do for you, Morgan? Oct 01 19:42:05 I need some advice Oct 01 19:46:13 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 19:46:22 Advice about what? Oct 01 19:47:39 I think we're closing in on the time where I'm going to need to talk to Varick about... intimacy and babies... Oct 01 19:48:29 He is only seven. That is very young Oct 01 19:49:47 I thought so but... he was talking to Mollys nephew about it and he explained his idea of how animals make babies, and between them they've decided that is how people do it too... playing leapfrog but not jumping high enough is how he puts it Oct 01 19:51:42 * Adalbrecht blushes a little Oct 01 19:52:23 That is a vivid picture. Oct 01 19:52:45 * Morgan nods Oct 01 19:52:51 Isn't it Oct 01 19:53:38 I do not think that is even possible. Have you corrected him? Oct 01 19:54:49 I'm informed that you are incorrect... and no, I have not. I had no idea how to go about it Oct 01 19:56:53 I did not have this discussion with you until you were much older Oct 01 19:57:04 And Edward? Oct 01 20:00:45 Younger than you, but in the first summer after he went to the Academy. He had heard some of the other boys talking about... being intimate with their maids Oct 01 20:01:15 * Morgan frowns Oct 01 20:01:37 So you think I should what? Gently inform him he is incorrect but will learn when he gets older? Oct 01 20:02:23 Do you feel I waited too long with you? Oct 01 20:02:43 There are times even now my nativity is an issue Oct 01 20:03:15 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:04:34 Perhaps Edward would be better to ask, he is more worldly. I did not have this discussion with your grandfather until the morning of my wedding Oct 01 20:05:36 * Morgan nods Oct 01 20:06:00 I'll speak to him tomorrow but... I wanted your advice first. I'm going to ask HeinzHarold, I always respected his father Oct 01 20:06:25 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:06:51 He may have been more exposed to the mating activities of animals that we are Oct 01 20:07:20 * Morgan nods Oct 01 20:08:49 What does Molly say, as the daughter of a farmer? Oct 01 20:10:10 I came to you first Oct 01 20:10:37 * Adalbrecht smiles Oct 01 20:11:39 I am glad you feel me a source of wisdom, but in this I am not so. What about Grendlik? He works with many boys in the orphanage. Oct 01 20:12:04 * Morgan nods Oct 01 20:12:08 Thats a good idea Oct 01 20:12:20 He has grown on you I think? Oct 01 20:14:06 I never disliked him, only his behaviour with Jarvinia Oct 01 20:15:08 * Morgan shrugs Oct 01 20:15:27 I did want your opinion on something to do with your granddaughter Oct 01 20:16:38 Oh? Oct 01 20:18:39 I was thinking that some neutral ground would be appropriate for a first meeting... I was thinking of Haefenlor. Doesn't require us all to leave Eisen, but Alice and Florrie would be somewhere owned by someone they both trust... Oct 01 20:19:30 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:20:11 I think that is a good idea. And with Innesbruck or Sudlachenburg only a day away anyone can take a break if it is needed Oct 01 20:20:30 * Morgan nods Oct 01 20:22:41 I'll suggest it to Edward then, and Alice Oct 01 20:23:03 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:23:26 Sometime in the summer? Oct 01 20:24:22 Its a long wait I know but... I think it a good idea that Molly and I be there to help Oct 01 20:25:47 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:26:05 Edward will have much to apply himself to here in the meantime Oct 01 20:26:38 * Morgan nods Oct 01 20:26:43 He'll do fine, I'm sure Oct 01 20:26:59 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:27:06 I have no doubt Oct 01 20:27:47 I noticed the looks that were passed when Varick mentioned Dietlinde earlier... Oct 01 20:28:28 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:28:49 It is unexpected that he talks about it openly Oct 01 20:30:35 Jarvie said it was surprising that I was so open about it with him in Innesbruck. I've felt it important to be honest and open with him about them Oct 01 20:31:59 Does he understand that that is not a life he can have? Oct 01 20:32:30 * Morgan frowns briefly Oct 01 20:32:51 I'm busy trying to teach him that we do not have wives _and_ 'good friends' as his father did Oct 01 20:34:27 * Adalbrecht frowns too Oct 01 20:34:31 Absolutely not Oct 01 20:35:01 Its difficult to do that without suggesting his father was doing something wrong... Oct 01 20:36:29 Maybe that could be curbed by asking Molly, Inga, and your Mother to explain their feelings about it, as wives? And Karsten was doing many things wrong, some of which our peers approve of Oct 01 20:38:00 And as he grows older I hope to aid his understanding of that, but as a small boy, all it would do is hurt him and make him dig his heels in. He is the boys hero. As for asking them to explain their feelings... perhaps not just yet Oct 01 20:39:05 It is grating that Karsten is revered when he did not deserve it Oct 01 20:39:21 * Morgan sighs Oct 01 20:39:38 He was good to Varick... that is what I concentrate on for the time being Oct 01 20:41:24 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:41:43 His only redeeming feature was as a loving father Oct 01 20:42:16 * Morgan nods Oct 01 20:46:27 Have you given more thought to sending him to the Academy? Oct 01 20:46:46 I am... reluctant Oct 01 20:48:17 Why? Oct 01 20:49:22 I remember how lonely I was, how it felt... and I was treated to nothing but love and affection as I grew... he has not had that, then he gets a family that are very obvious in their love for him just to send him away... Oct 01 20:49:44 however... I am also aware of the connections he could make there... even though I didn't Oct 01 20:51:02 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:51:30 It is tradition, but I know that will not guide you as it does the rest of us Oct 01 20:52:13 More than you might imagine but... it is not my only or most important guide Oct 01 20:52:52 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:53:27 Have you thought about taking on a noble child from another household when you settle at Hafenlohr? Oct 01 20:53:46 I've not had chance to speak to Molly about it yet... we've all been a little busy Oct 01 20:54:38 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 20:55:17 You have many years ahead, but company for Varick is something to consider, you do not want him being a lonely child like Edward was Oct 01 20:55:48 * Morgan flinches slightly but nods Oct 01 20:57:52 Now he has many friends Oct 01 20:58:14 * Morgan nods Oct 01 20:58:22 Most of whom I don't want to hit most of the time Oct 01 21:00:44 Yes, even Lord Pottersdam has grown on me Oct 01 21:01:05 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:01:27 I noticed. He's a good man, with much wasted potential Oct 01 21:02:21 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:02:51 He is brave, I will say that for him Oct 01 21:03:19 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:03:22 I cannot argue with that Oct 01 21:04:49 Even living where we do it was a shock to come face to face with those monsters Oct 01 21:06:24 * Morgan shrugs Oct 01 21:07:18 The only thing that made them as dangerous as they were was their organisation... the schneeskald or dragons, or the Sidhe... they generally do not have that Oct 01 21:08:47 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:09:39 Fortune they were dealt with, but we all felt very unwell. It is surprising that we did not sleep through it Oct 01 21:10:11 * Morgan smiles slightly Oct 01 21:10:46 Once one of us was awake, it was just a matter of rousing the others Oct 01 21:11:22 That was lucky Oct 01 21:12:22 I suppose Oct 01 21:14:27 Edward will be aware of the possible dangers now Oct 01 21:15:41 My understanding is that that was Rief's doing. I rather believe Edward wanting someone to meet Mina on her way to meet us saved her life, as well... Oct 01 21:16:24 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:16:48 And if it had not been you, they might have tried anyway Oct 01 21:17:02 * Morgan shrugs Oct 01 21:17:16 I think anyone would have had the same effect Oct 01 21:17:21 It was just one man Oct 01 21:18:47 * Adalbrecht shrugs Oct 01 21:19:25 It all turned out for the best. Edward and Mina are together, and I see no reason why they will not stay that way Oct 01 21:20:12 I might leave correcting Varick until we've left... he wishes to make sure uncle Edward knows how to make babies... Oct 01 21:21:27 Ah. I think that Florrie is an indicator that he is aware already. Oct 01 21:21:56 I know, but I'd _really_ like to see Edwards face when he says it Oct 01 21:23:35 I would be interested to see how he handles that Oct 01 21:23:46 Frustratingly well I'd bet Oct 01 21:23:54 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:24:06 He wouldn't blush Oct 01 21:24:22 You sound a little... envious of that Oct 01 21:25:39 A little, yes. Oct 01 21:26:39 Hard to let that go, though, isn't it Oct 01 21:27:58 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:28:20 Indeed. Oct 01 21:29:02 Would you be offended if I told you I am proud that you are trying to? Oct 01 21:29:47 No, I am not offended by that. Oct 01 21:31:26 Good, because I am Oct 01 21:31:43 *he nods a moment* Are you leaving on Saturday still? Oct 01 21:31:49 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:31:51 We must Oct 01 21:33:38 Your Mother and I will miss you Oct 01 21:35:24 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:35:28 As I will you both Oct 01 21:37:52 I am sure three months will pass quickly once we are back at home, especially as it will be David and Martha's first Shadowfayre Oct 01 21:38:29 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:39:05 He has decided he does not wish to take up his title... but wishes to get to know the Rosenkrantz Oct 01 21:40:39 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:40:50 I expected that to be the case Oct 01 21:41:31 Oh? Oct 01 21:43:16 He and Martha are loved in Sudlachenburg, and what they want is to watch Molly's children come along and grow as they did with their other grandchildren Oct 01 21:44:15 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:44:40 Edward tells me they are thinking of using my name in one of their children's... Oct 01 21:45:05 * Adalbrecht smiles Oct 01 21:45:27 Are you pleased by that? Oct 01 21:45:35 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:45:40 Incredibly touched by it Oct 01 21:45:50 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:45:58 You are becoming very close Oct 01 21:46:09 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:46:42 We've come a very long way. He said a year ago he would never have imagined being here, married and heartsore that I of all people would not be close by Oct 01 21:47:32 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:48:06 A year ago your Mother and I had briefly seen you and were wondering if you would actually come back again Oct 01 21:48:24 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:48:35 I could not foresee that at the time... let alone everything thats happened since Oct 01 21:49:15 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:49:46 Marriage, a Grafdom, one child and another very soon to be on the way, I hope. Oct 01 21:50:34 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:51:33 You asked if the dreams I have are any better than the nightmares... have you noticed that, until today, I have been much more at ease? Claudia says I laugh more... Oct 01 21:52:54 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:53:11 I had noticed Oct 01 21:54:55 I had a dream... I had gotten Jana and Dietlinde out but a beam fell on me... they had to carry on without me... I saw Jana married with children and I realised they'd have been alright, and I was happy about that. I realised that if I would be happy about it for them, they'd be happy about me being alright. It was like... a realisation, a weight lifting. Oct 01 21:55:50 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:56:08 So yes, in general, I do think those dreams better than nightmares Oct 01 21:56:15 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:56:28 It must be painful too though Oct 01 21:56:43 * Morgan nods Oct 01 21:57:24 I think it always will be, and thats alright. What is grief but love we didn't get to give... but wallowing in it is not what they would have wanted, and I don't honour them by doing so Oct 01 21:58:28 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 21:58:39 Very wise, Morgan Oct 01 21:59:08 I have my moments. I will be making an alteration to Dietlinde's headstone when I am next at home Oct 01 21:59:26 Will you? Oct 01 22:00:17 * Morgan nods Oct 01 22:01:02 I'm going to ask HeinzHarold to make a small cross to be mounted on it, so I'll have a stonemason make the appropriate adjustment Oct 01 22:03:04 Having left immedi, you were not here to get your input on it. Oct 01 22:03:24 Immediately * Oct 01 22:03:25 * Morgan nods Oct 01 22:04:40 There is nothing that I dislike of their headstones, please don't think that is the reason I wish to alter it Oct 01 22:05:25 What then? Oct 01 22:05:41 I'm not sure you would wish to know once I told you Oct 01 22:06:54 And now it will wear at me until I know Oct 01 22:07:29 * Morgan sighs Oct 01 22:07:45 In my efforts to reassure you I have discomfited you Oct 01 22:09:43 I am not discomfited, but I do not understand what needs to be changed Oct 01 22:10:19 This will stay between us Oct 01 22:10:46 Of course Oct 01 22:10:57 * Morgan nods, watching him seriously for a moment Oct 01 22:11:12 Not everyone who died is memorialised Oct 01 22:11:24 * Adalbrecht looks confused Oct 01 22:11:33 What do you mean? Oct 01 22:12:31 Dietlinde was pregnant when she died. I wish to add something to memorialise the child I did not meet, but need to do it in a way that will not lead to Edward finding out, or Sudlachenburg in general. Oct 01 22:13:28 * Adalbrecht nods solemnly Oct 01 22:13:39 I am sorry for your additional loss Oct 01 22:13:59 * Morgan inclines his head Oct 01 22:14:07 I did not know at the time. It was very early Oct 01 22:14:44 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:15:13 It will remain our secret. How did you learn of it? Oct 01 22:17:51 [22:02:28] Adalbrecht: It will remain our secret. *he looks at his son* Perhaps you do not recall, but you did tell me Otto had told you of it before the wedding Oct 01 22:18:32 * Morgan rubs his forehead Oct 01 22:18:37 No... I did not remember Oct 01 22:20:04 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:20:31 I am grateful that you had then forgotten my accidentally breaking the news to Molly! Oct 01 22:22:35 We have moved forward Oct 01 22:22:58 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:23:14 I think we all understand each other better Oct 01 22:23:33 * Morgan nods Oct 01 22:23:39 We've worked very hard at it Oct 01 22:24:59 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:25:24 Yes we have. Molly and I no longer butt heads so much too Oct 01 22:26:33 * Morgan nods Oct 01 22:26:37 That does make my life somewhat easier Oct 01 22:27:02 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:27:22 It is hard to feel torn between one's wife and one's father. Oct 01 22:27:50 A connection I never imagined us having Oct 01 22:29:10 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:29:57 I never wanted you to think he did not love your mother as we do, and after she had you he was much better with her Oct 01 22:30:34 I think children have that effect on grandparents Oct 01 22:30:49 * Adalbrecht frowns Oct 01 22:30:58 Generally, yes Oct 01 22:31:23 You do not think it had that effect on you? Oct 01 22:32:10 It did, but I could and should have done better. Oct 01 22:33:15 Yes... but so could and should I have... do not forget you were put in a much tougher situation than your father was Oct 01 22:35:17 * Adalbrecht looks impassive "Still, That is in the past, and we are now all going to do better" Oct 01 22:35:53 I'm going to say something that Molly has said to me on occasion... Oct 01 22:36:53 Oh? Oct 01 22:39:16 Something like, anyway... I'd like you to be as gentle with yourself as you are with mother. Oct 01 22:39:51 * Adalbrecht looks vaguely surprised Oct 01 22:40:02 I would never berate your mother Oct 01 22:40:08 precisely Oct 01 22:41:16 * Morgan smiles slightly Oct 01 22:41:55 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:42:04 And do you listen to her? Oct 01 22:42:52 I try to, yes. Its not easy sometimes, but its something I work towards Oct 01 22:43:17 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:43:28 It seems like sensible advcie Oct 01 22:43:33 * Morgan nods Oct 01 22:45:31 I will try to do that Oct 01 22:45:38 I appreciate that Oct 01 22:45:48 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:47:36 I am sorry I was not more help with your Varick dilemma Oct 01 22:47:46 * Morgan shrugs Oct 01 22:48:09 You may not have given much advice on that issue but you guided me where to find it Oct 01 22:49:54 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 22:50:28 You are already better placed to broach the topic than I was Oct 01 22:51:24 Perhaps Oct 01 22:52:40 You are more worldly than I, and probably more open with Varick than I had been able to be with you. Oct 01 22:54:11 Still not entirely sure how I'm more worldly. Y'know HeinzHarold used to call me Saint Morgan of Puritytown? Oct 01 22:54:39 * Adalbrecht smiles faintly Oct 01 22:54:42 I did not Oct 01 22:55:08 Even now I am hearing things I had no idea about Oct 01 22:55:43 It seems cruel, was it meant in jest? Oct 01 22:58:23 Vaguely I suppose. While all the other men were in brothels on shore leave or frolicking with followers of the drum, I was sat aside, usually drawing Oct 01 22:58:40 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:00:31 I was the same in those early years before I was married. After that I was not usually asked to join them, even Yensid gave up. It was well-known that your Mother was the only woman I had eyes for Oct 01 23:00:51 * Morgan nods Oct 01 23:01:35 I've been in a couple of brothels since we came home... once to deal with a noble, one to keep an eye on my crew Oct 01 23:02:52 I have never understood the appeal. To me, it is something to share with a wife only. Oct 01 23:03:13 * Morgan nods Oct 01 23:03:21 Even Edward has seen the light in that respect Oct 01 23:03:37 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:03:53 I hope he has seen that it is not trivial Oct 01 23:04:27 He remarked how... different it is, how with those women it was... hollow by comparison Oct 01 23:04:54 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:05:05 I can only imagine so Oct 01 23:05:31 I fully believe so, having heard how he talks about it Oct 01 23:07:19 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:07:53 I might not be worldly as he is, but I would not want his level of experience Oct 01 23:08:04 * Morgan nods Oct 01 23:08:13 And what do you think my level of experience to be? Oct 01 23:09:24 * Adalbrecht blushes a little Oct 01 23:10:13 From discussions we have had, I believe you are much more experienced, but probably only within marriage. Oct 01 23:10:35 * Morgan nods slightly Oct 01 23:10:46 I wouldn't say _much_ more, though. Oct 01 23:12:35 I do not think we need to get into the ins and-... the small details. Oct 01 23:13:02 * Morgan laughs Oct 01 23:13:23 Apropos to nothing... you and mother seem closer, more at ease Oct 01 23:13:47 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:14:05 I have been spending more time with her, as you recommended Oct 01 23:14:53 You have found that worthwhile? Oct 01 23:15:29 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:16:36 The weddings this year, and her hopes for the next generation have given us much to look back on fondly together, to a time when we were young and first in love Oct 01 23:17:06 * Morgan smiles broadly Oct 01 23:17:26 Very little could make me happier than seeing the two of you close and happy Oct 01 23:17:53 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:18:45 I am intending to continue building our closeness Oct 01 23:19:11 I'm glad to hear that Oct 01 23:21:01 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:21:08 Was there anything else? Oct 01 23:21:14 * Morgan shakes his head Oct 01 23:21:43 * Adalbrecht nods Oct 01 23:22:17 I will find a servant to replenish the tea and coffee, and see you back in the drawing room Oct 01 23:22:38 * Morgan nods Oct 01 23:22:40 Thank you father Oct 01 23:24:33 * Morgan has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) Oct 01 23:26:26 * Adalbrecht has quit (Read error: EOF from client)